As my Shakespeare genealogy post was so popular, I thought I’d do a similar thing with a few more famous people – and as Charles Dickens is my favourite author it wasn’t difficult to choose one! Much of Charles Dickens’ genealogy is fairly well documented, but I’ve also investigated a few of the ‘side lines’ in case you find a link to your own tree.
(By the way – if you want to learn how to trace your ancestors, have a look at my Step-by-Step Beginner’s Course)
I am not going to go too much into the direct descendants of Dickens. It’s likely that if you are a direct descendant then you are going to know about it already, and many of his descendants are well known, particularly within the theatrical and publishing professions. A full tree of his descendants can be seen at www.charlesdickenspage/dickens_family_tree.pdf
His direct descendants include:
- Monica Dickens (writer 1915-1992). Author of One Pair of Feet and many other great novels.
- Brian Forster (actor b.1960 Los Angeles, USA). He was in The Partridge Family in the 1970s.
- Gerald Charles Dickens (actor b. 1963) Performs one man shows based on the novels of Charles Dickens.
- Lucinda Anne Dickens Hawksley (biographer, author & lecturer b. 1970)
- Harry Lloyd (actor b.1983 in London) Played Will Scarlett in the BBC production of Robin Hood.
Charles Dickens (1812-1870) had ten children and they are:
- Charles Culliford Boz (1837-1896). Editor & writer. Married Elisabeth Matilda Moule EVANS. They had 8 children.
- Mary Angela (1838-1896)
- Catherine Elizabeth Macready (1839-1929)
- Walter Savage Landor (1841-1863) Officer in the Indian Army. Died in Calcultta, India.
- FrancisJeffrey (1844-1886) Member of the Canadian Mounted Police. Fought in the Battle of Fort Pitt 1885. Died during a lecture tour in Illinois, USA.
- Alfred D’Orsay Tennyson (1845-1912). Emigrated to Australia & made lecture tours on his father’s life. Married Augusta Jessie DEVLIN in Victoria Australia & they had 2 daughters. Later married Emily RILEY. Died in New York during a lecture tour.
- Sidney Smith Haldiman (1847-1872) Royal Naval Officer. Died at sea & buried in the Indian Ocean.
- Henry Fielding (1849-1933) Kings Counsel & Barrister. Marred Marie ROCHE & they had 5 children.
- Dora Annie (1850-1851) Died in infancy.
- Edward Bulwer Lytton (1852-1902) Australian politician. Married Constance DESAILLY. Died in Moree, New South Wales, Australia.
There is some scope for Australian and American family historians here!
Charles Dickens’ ancestors can only be taken back with any confidence to his grandfather, William Dickens (1719-1785) who married an Elizabeth BALL (1745-1824). Given that their son, John was born in Marylebone, London in 1785, the BALL family may be of London. There is an Elizabeth BALL baptized in Finsbury on 16th October, the daughter of Francis and Elizabeth, but there could be hundreds with this name born in that year, so finding a definite link to this line would be very difficult.
Much more is known about Charles’s father, John Dickens (1785-1851). He married Elizabeth Culliford BARROW on 30th June 1809 in London. Elizabeth was the daughter of Charles BARROW (1759-1826) and Mary CULLIFORD (1771-1851). Charles, like John Dickens, worked at the Navy Pay Office, and was convicted of embezzling. He married Mary Culliford on 27th January 1788 in Lambeth, Surrey.
According to a published tree on Ancestry, Charles Barrow was born in Bristol, the son of William Barrow and Anne CASTEELS. Obviously, this needs confirming, but it may be of interest if you have Bristol or Somerset Barrows or Casteels in your family, and worth looking into.
According to the same tree, Mary Culliford was the daughter of a Thomas Culliford and Mary GOLDSWORTH, who married in Westminster. Again, this may be worth checking if you have these names in your family. In fact, Mary’s baptism can be found on Ancestry and took place in Camden, Middlesex.
Elizabeth Barrow had several siblings, who may have living descendants, so these would be worth looking into.
John and Elizabeth DICKENS had seven other children apart from Charles. I do know that there are living descendants, as one of my closest friends is one!
- Frances Elizabeth (1810-1848). Did not marry.
- Alfred Allen (1814-1814) Died in infancy.
- Letitia Mary (1816-1874) Did not marry (as far as I know).
- Harriet Ellen (1819-1822) Died in childhood.
- Frederick William (1820-1868). Married Anna WELLER, but they separated in 1858. Died an alcoholic.
- Alfred Lamerte (1822-1860) Railway Engineer. Married Helen DOBSON in 1836 & they had 5 children:
- Alfred E Dickens
- Edmund (or Edward) Henry Dickens
- Florence Helen Dickens
- Katherine L. Dickens
- Augusta Maud Dickens
- Augustus (1827-1866) Married Harriet LOVELL but he left her and emigrated to Chicago, USA, where he had 3 children by Bertha PHILLIPS, the daughter of an English solicitor. The children (all born in the US) are:
- Bertram Dickens
- Adrian Dickens
- Amy Bertha Dickens
For a connection to Charles by marriage, we can look at Dickens’ wife’s family. If you have Scottish HOGARTHs in your family tree you might be interested in this.
Charles Dickens’ wife was Catherine Thompson HOGARTH. She was born in Edinburgh, the daughter of George Hogarth (1780-1870) a newspaper editor and music critic. He was born in the Scottish borders and was married to Georgina THOMPSON in 1814 in Edinburgh. Catherine was their first child, and the other children were:
- Robert Hogarth (1816-?)
- Mary Hogarth (1819-1837). She lived with Charles and Catherine in the early years of their marriage until her early death.
- George Thomson Hogarth (1821-?)
- William Thomson Hogarth (1823-?)
- Georgina Hogarth (1827-1917) Became Charles Dickens’ housekeeper. Later published the letters of Charles Dickens.
George HOGARTH senior was the son of Robert HOGARTH and Mary SCOTT, and according to my own searches he had several siblings all born in Channelkirk: Robert (1785), John (1786), Mellicent (1788), Christian (1790), Mary (1791), Jane (1792) and Mary (1794). These details need confirming.
It is not surprising that many of Charles Dickens’ descendants are theatrical. He was a great lover of the theatre and produced and performed in several plays himself. He was a great character – but hampered all his life by the financial problems of his father and several of his siblings. His marriage was not a happy one, and he had at least one mistress – the actress Ellen Ternan. He seems to have had good relationships with his daughters, two of whom can be seen in this picture.
He is first on my fantasy dinner party list. I think he probably was great fun to have at parties – especially in his younger days. My own historical fiction writing is often influenced by his style and he tends to pop up now and then as a kind of guest character! Next year will be the 200th anniversary of his birth – cause for much celebration!
More information on Charles Dickens’ genealogy can be seen at MyHeritage.com. I would like to hear from anyone who has Charles Dickens in their family tree, or would like any help in finding a connection.
Recommended Books:
The Complete Works of Charles Dickens (Annotated)
Hi
I beleive I am a great, great,great grand-daughter….My father is Kenneth Edwin Raisbeck, son of Edward Neville Raisbeck, born in Victoria, Australia early 1900’s.
Is this correct, & if so, how do I look up????
Thanx..Krisha
Hi Krisha
You will need to trace your family history using birth & marriage records and census records. I am not very knowledgeable about Australian ancestry, but if you can find out when your family emigrated to Austalia, I would be able to research UK records for you.
You could start by using the Australian section of Ancestry.com here: http://www.ancestry.com.au/. I did have a quick search and there is an Edward N Raisbeck born in 1910 in New South Wales, son of Thomas and Violet. Does this sound right? I think you would need to order this from the appropriate registry office to get a copy of the certificate, which should give the mother’s maiden name, and carry on from there.
You might want to consider whether the link is through your father’s line only, or whether it could be through, say, your grandmother’s line? If you are not sure, you might have to research several lines.
Let me know if you make a link, or if you would like any help with UK ancestry – please email me at info@tracingancestors-uk.com
Best of luck!
Ros
Looking for any information of a Stephen Dickens who married Frances paterson no dates found most likely in the Warwichkshire area. Their daughter Lousia Bessie was born abt 1848/1852, in Lousia’s Obit states she was connected to the Charles Dickens family through her father Stephen who was a cousin???
Can anyone help.
Thanks,
Fran
I have also been told their is a connection. My g.g.grandfather William Dickens emigrated to New Brunswick from London originally, but I think hecame via Liverpool to Northumberland Co.They and their decendants ran the stagecoach stop between Chatham and Moncton, NB. I write poetry and am writing novels, have since I was 14. Interesting genetics, aneurisms run rampant in the family, heard that Charles died from one at 58 yrs. old. Thanks and Cheers!
Hi Fran
I have sent you an email.
Cheers
Ros
Hi – thanks for your comment. I do think that things are in the blood and it’s very interesting that you are also a writer. I also write novels – but I have yet to find the connection in my family – though of course with most ancestors one would never know whether they wrote or not, so it would be lucky indeed to have someone so famous in the tree!
I have sent you an email.
Ros
My mother was Mary Margaret Dickens. Her father was Frederick Dickens. Fred Dickens, my grandfather always claimed that Charles Dickens was his grandfather. I believe his father’s name was Alfred. Story having been told that Charles was really a great uncle of my grandfather’s (Fred) who took care of his brother’s grandchildren that lived in Canada. We’ve been told by a family-tree source, that it is indeed true, that we, my brother & sister & I, are in fact direct decedents, but I do not know how reliable the source is. It would be nice to know for sure!
Hi Karen
This looks interesting. Charles’s son Alfred emigrated to Australia – but he did have a brother and a nephew called Alfred so the line might be from them.
You will need to prove the ancestry line by looking at primary sources such as birth certificates and census records, and also emigration records. If you need any help, please let me know. You can email me at info@tracingancestors-uk.com.
Best wishes
Ros
my great grandma was a dickens her name was annie and she was born un derbyshire. chesterfield.her dad was william and he was born ariund 1837.in matlock derbyshire. could they be linked as ive seen derbyshire mentioned..seems hes interesting as he was in prison. would welcome info
Hi Michelle
Yes, Derbyshire is one of those places that have been mentioned as a possible place of origin of the Dickens’ ancestry. The trouble is, it’s very difficult to find links beyond Charles’s grandfather, as very little has ever been found about him.
I have sent you an email anyway.
Cheers
Ros
I spent some time in England this winter going to places the Dickens lived before moving to London and America. Charles spent time with the family and we have a book he signed to my ggggreat grandfather Christopher Dickens in the immediate family, calling him “cousin” in the salutation so the author thought we were related. Our family showed up in Raliegh Co. Va/WV in 1825 and civil war records show 4 direct ancestors who were first confederate and then retired as Union. I guess with statehood in 1863, we switched to keep your land for the family (a month after stonewall jackson died, the union army ran the election and counted those not switching as war criminals and not citizens). I would like to have our branch of the family included please in the tree and have a few more documents with stories and references of him attending baptisms of our family — one was named after him as an honor too.
although cousin to Charles’ line (my dad’s brother is named Charles as well), could my father be mentioned in the line? He was a Phd Physicist, Senior Research Fellow and Executive Vice President of R&D for BF Goodrich. Inducted inthe Inventors hall of Fame, he has over 35 US and international patents, including technologies that have created businesses with sustained revenue exceeding $1 Billion annually. Dr. E.D. Dickens
Charles dickens is related to the Shirley family i know this because if i went back far enough (which i have) i am related to them and Charles dickens also the Shirley family was friends with Shakespeare.
That’s an interesting family you have there!
My grandparents are Floyd Dickens and Grazia Gliddeon. I heard that we are descended from one of his siblings. I was reading about Alfred Lamert and discovered that he died of Pleurisy. I have Lupus, and one of the ailments I deal with regularly is Pleurisy.
Hi Kimberly
Have you tried tracing your family back to see if there is any evidence? Let me know if you’d like any help!
Ros
MY 2ND GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS BENNETT CRAKER THE SON OF LEVI CRAKER WHO WAS THE SON OF WILLIAM CRAKER AND ANN DICKENS. THIS BRINGS ME TO MY PROBLEM: IS ANN DICKENS THE DAUGHTER OF WILLIAM DICKENS AND ELIZABETH BALL? BENNETT WAS BORN 1849 IN PENNSYLVANIA – HIS FATHER (LEVI CRAKER) WAS BORN 1816 IN WADDESDON, ENGLAND AND LEVI’S MOTHER (ANN DICKENS) WAS BORN 1784 IN WADDESDON, ENGLAND.
Hi, (like many colonials) we had a family legend that we are related to Charles Dickens (but not directly) However I’m not an expert and I can’t find a link, can you help?
Family Tree (part of)
Great grandad- Henry Dickens Dallimore (1873-1954)frm Susan Rachel Dickens (1841-1879) frm George john Dickens (1789-1873) frm Charles Dickens (1757-1824)
Hi Fiona
Thanks for this. To search for a link you would have to research back, noting all siblings and making sure you use original records, and you also need to find out when your family emigrated and where in the UK they came from.
I have sent you an email.
Cheers
Ros
i was looking for a bit of info. did william dickens c.1783-1826 (charles dickens uncle) have any children?
if he did, was one of them called william born about 1812 as was charles, which would make him charles’ cousin?
i have been told by various members of my family that my great gran was charles dickens 2nd cousin( or 1st cousin,1st removed)..many thanks in advance if u can help me
Hi
I have just looked on the family search website, and there is a William Samuel Goodman Dickens baptized in 1812 to William and Sarah Dickens in Marylebone. This looks very much like the father could be Charles’s uncle as he and his brother John (Charles’s father) were also both born in Marylebone.
If you can trace your ancestors back to this William Samuel Goodman, then it certainly looks as though there is a link – but I would obviously want to confirm that this William is John’s brother – which would need a little extra research.
Let me know if you would need any help with confirming this link – I would be happy to do so at my usual rates. You can contact me at info@tracingancestors-uk.com.
Cheers
Ros
i have traced back to maria georgina dickens,her siblings and her parents ( william c. 1812 and mother margaret c.1823 ). therefore this william dickens would be my g-g-grandfather.
Hi Neil
That’s excellent. If William is the brother of John, that would make you a 1st cousin, several times removed, of Charles Dickens. If you need any help with establishing the identity of this William, please let me know.
Cheers
Ros
Hi Kim
Sorry I missed your post before – I was in the middle of a house move and have only just seen it!
I think the children of William are more likely to have been born in London. However, if you would like some help with looking at this line, then do please get in touch by email – at info@tracingancestors-uk.com.
Cheers
Ros
Hi
I have been trying to link my Dickens line to Charles Dickens. My grandmother has told us that we are related to Charles Dickens and that this was something passed on from generation to generation.
My dickens line is as follows:
Laura Ann Erasmus Dickens (daughter of Erasmus Richard Dickens) b. 1864 Arkansas
Erasmus Richard Dickens b. 1838 TN so of
Uriah Dickens b. 1802 NC son of
Thomas Dickens b. 1761 NC
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
matt
Hi Matt
If you have a subscription to Ancestry.com – you should be able to see this link, which looks like your ancestor: http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/3793296/person/6118671405/story/b7aa016a-b6d5-422e-a011-73a660b16c0c?src=search
If this is all correct (and you need to make sure the owner of this has done all the necessary research) – the link with England would appear to be his father, Joseph and grandfather William. However, there is no specific place of birth in England, which makes it rather difficult.
I can’t see a marriage for William and Temperance anywhere – but I would need to spend longer on this and view more resources.
I have sent you an email about this.
Best wishes
Ros
Hello, I am a relative of Parthena Dickens born in 1828, Missouri, USA. Her father was Isaac Dickens. They say that she was a relative of Charles Dickens, but I don’t know if I believe it. Could you help me figure it out?
Lindsay
Hi Lindsay
As Charles Dickens was born in 1812, you would need to find a connection two or more generations back. This would be quite difficult as very little is known about his grandfather’s origins. It was possible he was born in London – but the family may originate from Derbyshire. What you need to do is trace your own family tree back, and find out where they came from in England. If they seemed to come from London or Derbyshire, it may be possible that there is a link, but it would still be difficult to prove. If you have any idea the name of your ancestor who came from England and where they were from, I could have a quick look for you – but if you wanted any further research I would need to charge my normal fee of £20 per hour.
Good luck!
Ros
Hi,
My 3rd great grandfather was Robert Barrow 1805-1849. I’ve found several family trees linking him to Elizabeth Barrow as siblings, two out of the many children of Charles Barrow & Mary Culliford.
I’m finding it hard to positively establish this link for myself. Every other tree gives Robert a middle name of Irving which dosn’t appear on any other documents I can positively say is him and in fact on one of his daughters marriage certs he is shown as Edward Robert Barrow.
I can’t find a marriage cert for Robert and Catherine and have established her maiden name of Clarke via the probate records and her fathers name as shown on her second marriage cert to James Hewmwn.
I’m 90% on the connection but the marriage cert is the missing link for me. Do you know if it exists?
Jon
Hi Jon
If the marriage was before 1837, there will be no marriage certificate as civil registration did not start until 1st July 1837 in England.
Your best hope of finding a marriage record is in the parish registers for the parish they married in. These can sometimes be found on FamilySearch.org, and some London and other counties are on Ancestry.co.uk – but I have had a quick look and cannot see one.
It may be necessary, therefore, to have someone visit the local archives covering the parish where they had their children and see if there is a marriage in the parish registers held there. Or it may well be in the parish where Catherine was born or brought up in.
Let me know if you need help with this. I have many local contacts all over the country, so I may be able to put you in touch with someone, or carry out the contacting for you, for my usual fee. My email address is info@tracingancestors-uk.com.
Best wishes
Ros
Very interesting and good work Ros. The word in the family is that we are related to Dickens? When my grandmother was moving from London to Canada “Pickwick” manuscripts were stolen from her furniture below deck. Her name before marage was Ada Dorthey Long of Middlesex England born 1892
Hi, I am tracing my grandfather Marvin G. Dickens b1910 in West Virginia . His father was Walter Elwood b.1882, his father was William b1835, his father was Amos b 1802 and his father was Jonathan b 1774 ( all but my grandfather were born in Pennsylvania). I have always been told we were related but I am seeking to prove it. Can you help? Thank you
Hi Peggi
This could be quite difficult, as it looks as though any connection would be with Charles Dickens’ ancestors – and not much is known about them beyond his grandfather William, who I believe was born in about 1719. You would need to find out when your American ancestors emigrated from England, and if possible, where they came from. While no-one is sure exactly where Charles’s grandfather William was born, it seems possible that he was connected to the large number of Dickens who originated in the Derbyshire/Cheshire areas. If you can make a connection to this part of the country, then this could be where the connection lies, but it is very difficult to prove. If you could go back further and get some idea of where in England they came from, then I could try and help at this end!
Best wishes
Ros
Hi
I understand that my father was related somehow to Charles Dickens. He had family in Monmouthshire and Pill,Somerset. You mention there is a Somerset connection. Do you know if James Dickens Pill, Somerset (1805-1871) was connected?
Hi Esther
It was Charles Dickens’ mother whose family came from Somerset – the Barrow family, so I wouldn’t be too confident that there is a connection through the Dickens name. As far as I can see, Charles Dickens’ family is likely to have come from either London or Derbyshire or Cheshire. However, it’s always worth looking into – but it would need some extensive research to work out where the link might be. I could help you but obviously I would have to charge my usual fee. Please contact me at info@tracingancestors-uk.com if you would like me to carry out some research for you.
Best wishes
Ros
My great grandmother Amy Challis b.1862 at Hampstead Norris in Berkshire, told my uncle that she was related to Charles Dickens. I haven’t been able to find anything to confirm this, but would know of any possible connection please?
Hi Steve
I’m afraid I don’t know more than what I have written in my blog post. However, if you wanted me to help you to research this on a professional basis, please contact me at info@tracingancestors-uk.com.
Best wishes
Ros
Hi, Ros, I was told that I am a distant relative to Charles Dickens. I have always hoped to find out just how I am related to him. I am Welsh on my father’s side, and German and English on my mother’s side. How would I go about finding out how I am related?
I really want to know about my Welsh ancestry.
Lynn Diane Ball (soon to go back to Reese)
Hi Lynn
Many thanks for your enquiry. Trying to find out if you are connected to a specific person can be quite a trickly business, and you need to be sure that you are following the right line at each step of the way, using original documentation (not always available online). However, whatever the outcome, the information you will find will be rewarding and fascinating – even if you don’t find a definite link!
How easy it will be depends on whether the link is through siblings or descendants of Dickents, or via his ancestors. If the latter, then it can be difficult as not much is known about the family beyond his grandfather. However, the fun is in the trying, so you need to trace your own family back – presumably your mother’s English side would be most likely. This involves finding birth/marriage certificates back to 1837, and studying census returns 1841 – 1911. See if you can find out from your family where the link is supposed to be and follow that line. Do you have any ancestral links with London or Derbyshire? These could be promising.
I have sent you an email as well.
Best wishes
Ros
My husbands father was Leonard Maynard Dickens, his father was Charles Edward Dickens (he married Elizabeth Mabel ), Charles father was Frederick Waikato Dickens and he married two women by the names of Fanny Gooding and Laura Land. This is as far back as I have been able to go. My husband and was born in New Zealand and his father told him that his ancestry goes back to Charles Dickens the writer. If you have any information I would greatly appreciate it as we are unable to track my husbands mother as she was adopted and there is no trace whatsoever. Kind regards
Hi Linda
Thanks for your information. I don’t really have any other information beyond what is in my original post. To try and find out whether your husband’s ancestry is connected with Charles Dickens would take some further research – and you would first need to establish a connection with the UK.
If you would like me to try and do this at my usual charges, please send me an email to info@tracingancestors-uk.com.
Best wishes
Ros
I have a link to Charles Dickens through marriage. The details are sketchy. I know:
Joseph Warner married Louisa Tuley or Tooley. They had a son, Frederick Warner. He was born in either Staines or Egham. Frederick married a Scottish lady, Edna; they had three children: Joseph, Maurice, and Evelyn. Frederick died in British Columbia, Canada in Fauquier (Kootenay area) 18 April 1956. It’s a long shot, yet an information is appreciated. Kind regards.
Hi Roberta
I don’t have any further information other than what is here. If you want me to carry out further research, please email me at info@tracingancestors-uk.com.
Thanks
Ros
Hi, Ros. My mother was from Bermuda, her father a Dickens. She was always told we are descendants of Charles Dickens. When my cousin worked on our geneaology, she got as far back as William Dickins (Dickens)who married Rebecca Duncan. No birthdates but they had a son, George Arthur Dickens on 5/4/1863 in Mare Fair Northampton, England. George is my great grandfather and married on 3/6/1889 in Bermuda to Elizabeth Emeline Stone, born in Bermuda on 10/15/1864. I checked what you had above, but is it possible that William is an uncle, brother, cousin or great uncle given that my great grandfather was born in 1863 and Charles was born in 1812? Or could you give me an address of where to write in England who could possibly check this information for me? Thank you so much!
Hi Brenda
There certainly seems to be quite a large contingency of DICKENS/DICKINS in Northamptonshire. Whether or not these are connected with Charles is not known, but he certainly visited the area quite often as he was involved in theatrical productions put on at Rockingham Castle. I have sometimes wondered whether there were cousins there – but obviously these things have to be proved.
I would be happy to carry out some research for you – I have sent you an email.
Cheers
Ros
My husband has been told his great-something grandfather was Spanish and married one of Charles’ nieces. I haven’t been able to find any documentation to confirm this.
Hi Bobbey
It can be very difficult to establish these links. Let me know if you need any help – though it sounds as though you might want a Spanish genealogist too!
Good luck
Ros
Hi there, I’m wondering if there is any relation to the Dicken(s) clan from Culpeper and Spotsylvania County, Virginia. This would include Christopher Dicken (1712-1778). He was descended from the following Dickens: Isaac Henry (b.1683, Virginia), Christopher (b. 1644, Staffordshire, England), Christopher (1617, Staffordshire), Hugh (1591, Staffordshire). Obviously I’m not a direct descendant of Charles, but wondering if our Dickens originated from the same family. Thanks for any help!
Hi Chris
As no-one has been able to research Charles Dickens’ tree past his grandfather, it is not possible to say for sure that your family would be connected. However, there is some evidence to suggest that the author’s family may have had its origins in the county of Derbyshire. As Staffordshire is an adjoining county to Derbyshire then it is possible that there may be some link. It might be an interesting exercise to try and trace some of the descendants of your Staffordshire ancestors’ siblings to see where they lead – though this is by no means an easy thing to do! If you’d like any help, let me know – though of course the chances of finding proof of a definite link are unlikely.
Cheers
Ros
Hi Ros, this is my first attempt to find out more. I believe with pretty much certainty I’m a direct descendant and I would REALLY appreciate any help. How can I make some contact, more privately please? I’m respecting other family members for whom this is a sensitive matter. Much thanks and love your page 🙂 Kim L.